Reporter : Huawei basis of the present study to evaluate if you are, what kind of technology in Huawei level? What are your personal goals? I remember two years ago that you participate in the national science and technology conference, you said that Huawei entered the no man's land, now is not still such a level?
Ren : In general, we should also not satisfied with their own basic research evaluation, and why? 30 years, in fact, our real breakthrough in mathematics, the phone system equipment is centered on mathematics, but on the other disciplines of physics, chemistry, neurology, brain science ...... we just started, or behind, the future the integration of these e-science is science, not many people are willing to defect to us. So, we build the future of science in the process of information society structures, we are still not enough.
On no man's land, it was the most important is about "delay" issues, such as delays are now unmanned and other issues. Some time ago, my wife and my little daughter ride in Germany driverless cars on the highway running more than two hours in Europe, Europe has entered unmanned L3 phase. We also see our partnership with Audi in the field of unmanned, but also the L3 stage. Is the highest stage of unmanned L5, L5 reached the stage 5G comes into play, but there are latency issues.
So now the real no man's land exploration is to reduce delay, any circuit there are certain capacitors, resistors, will produce the delay, the era of human society requires no delay does not exist. The times into saturation curve stage, we are just on the roof of the curve, the new company can easily catch up with us. This is what we think the future risk. You see, now do more than simply an electronic product, buy a few chips on a ride out. Our advantage is no longer slowly advantage in this area, we are also worried about not run.
The prime minister went to Belgium to visit IMEC's a design platform, the platform can see the Prime Minister mankind electronic bandwidth to 3 nm and 1 nm. If to the limit, can not meet human needs, then also graphene instead of silicon can not, how do? We put the chips stack up, but the biggest problem is to make the two chips in the middle of the heat that comes out of this is cutting-edge technology. Therefore, the thermal will be the electronics industry's most cutting-edge science, our research in this area is leading, it is too abstract. So, to deal with the challenges ahead, we are looking for the road, but if slowly asking many can not find pursuers soon arrived.
Reporter : I remember in 2014 when your first interview, you said, "Huawei has unveiled what is the mystery of wrinkles?", Was particularly impressed, and now five years later, do you think Huawei veil really opened yet ? Now on the question of international voice seemed more.
Ren : that is, the more wrinkles. Because the larger the radius, the more problems. If we shrink to a small point, like a farmer, like farming, only potatoes so big, the outside world to see, that no one would question. The larger the radius, clear see of the next 10 - Explore 20 years after we see more, so we questioned a little more, but the question does not mean that there is much problem.
In addition, the question is also valuable, scientists born like suspicion, or how they will find new things? He does not believe there will be new discoveries, so the question itself is advancing the process must be accompanied by-products.
Future development of information society is unthinkable. The next three decades, human society, there will be a huge revolution, earth-shaking changes take place in the mode of production. For example, industrial production in the use of artificial intelligence, greatly improving production efficiency. We visited our production line, it can not be called artificial intelligence, artificial intelligence is only part, but the line could not see too many people.
Five years later, this production line may only take five, six, or even two, three, mainly to do maintenance. Of course, our production line, many people are doctors, not the ordinary operation of the workers, especially the production of optical chips, Dr. will also particularly small hands.
This era for a country, the focus is to develop education, and mainly basic education, especially basic education in rural areas. Without good basic education, basic research as it could have had of. To teachers in rural areas prone little money, so that talented people willing to be teachers, excellent child willing to enter the Normal School, as we older generation of revolutionaries of Mao Zedong, Su Yu, Huang Kecheng, Xu Guangda, Daiying ... are born in Normal, we can achieve "cultivate better person with the best people." But now is not the case, the low treatment of teachers, children saw more knowledge not earn much money, so I do not think how to read. This can not adapt to the next two or three decades after the society, the society may be divided. Produced entirely using artificial intelligence might return to the West, because there is no trade unions, social welfare issues, the strike ......; completely unable to produce artificial intelligence could move lower in Southeast Asia, Latin America, Southern Europe and other labor-cost countries went. Our country is facing this differentiation, it should take basic education to its highest national programs in order to meet future revolution. Improve the cultural quality of the whole nation, which should be the primary responsibility of the Party and the state, the duty of every citizen. Today the streets of tall buildings, over two or three decades becomes old. If we invest in education, two or three years these poor children is Dr. assault began, the country would lead to greater prosperity.
At this important historical turning point, Huawei can only manage their own, can not go to other people, so we put a lot of money to go forward. CCTV reporter just asked me, "Do you earn very little, why there is so much research investment", such as our 90 million profit this year, but investment in research and 150-200 million dollars. In fact, this is where we voted 15 billion, are cost, is still the customer's investment. Customers give us money, not generate profit, but to generate investment.
Why do we go in front? The new technology into the era of the cycle shorter. Scientists do is wait until the last equation, after 50 or 60 years, finally found useful in these equations. From electromagnetic theory, and after 50 or 60 years, we found that electromagnetic theory can be used for radio; and after decades ...... today impossible, to shorten this process is very powerful, if not called millisecond, and extremely short level . If we are still waiting for the division of labor, do not enter basic research, there may be behind the times.
China is a populous country, if the country becomes a great talent, we compete with others was more confident, therefore, to be primary school teachers should get more respect. Of course, the treatment of teachers have been much better today than in the past, but also allow teachers to become the most glorious career, the future of the country can hope to be successful in the competitive world.
Today, we see that Huawei has a lot of success, in fact, very important point is that the success of foreign scientists, because Huawei wages higher than Western companies, so many scientists are working in Huawei. We have at least 700 mathematicians, physicists more than 800 experts, more than 120 chemists six or seven one thousand basic research, 60 000-odd variety of senior engineers, engineers ......, the formation of such a combination in advance. Therefore, our country to the West and athletics, the revitalization of education with the only sense 50 or 60 years or a hundred years.
The revitalization of education is not in the house, is a teacher. Whampoa Military Academy is two leggings, Kang Da is a small bench. You see a movie about the Kang Da, moving a small bench, sitting on the dusty loess land, hear no microphone Mao's speech, on the construction of a new China. Kang Da Whampoa and not how the world's two great schools do? Therefore, the substance is not the most important, talent is the most important, the human soul should be respected in this country there is hope.
Reporter : You raised the issue of basic education, we are hoping to give the community a warning it?
Ren : I think the community should have a slogan that "with the best people to cultivate better person," "we can not be poor no matter how poor teacher."
Reporter : Do you intend to do something about this matter?
Ren Zhengfei : Huawei we do, do we give an example. Huawei has what? Nothing! Huawei has neither the background nor the resources, in addition to the person's head, nothing. We are a group of Chinese and foreigners to head together, achieve today's success, as evidenced by education is great.
Reporter : In the 4G era, we feel Huawei also lead into a new realm from many competitors. In the era of thought 5G, meet Huawei is the world's vast world. But so far, set up barriers to the outside world is more and more, you just say Huawei is to assess the situation encountered before. I would like to ask, what steps to take next Huawei intends to break through the current impasse? In addition the second question, we have the morning to visit the two laboratories Huawei, Huawei still feel the basis of research in this area also put a lot of effort, and that the environment is also promoted National enterprises or universities doing basic research, I always want to hear any thoughts on this piece of basic research.
Ren : There is a teacher to resign, said the world is big, she wanted to see. I would say the world is big, there are a lot of places we can do 5G, and yet we can not do that much. Not refuse a few places on our behalf was rejected in most places. And 5G actually exaggerated its role, people are also more exaggerated Huawei's success. Because we are too fast, our own young people unable to control themselves excitement, we have been talking about ah talk, put things exaggerated. In fact, human society 5G now not so urgent need. People now need is broadband, broadband and the main content is not the 5G. 5G There are very, very many connotations, the occurrence of these connotations also need to come more demand, but also requires a long period of time. 5G Do not think of the waves as the tide came, fortunes, and quickly fishing, fishing less missed. 5G development must be slow. Japan and South Korea, or 4G, Japan, South Korea to use the 4G is very good, it is sufficient to meet. We did not make good use of 4G, open my cell phone only 20 30 megabytes, in fact, we can offer 4G to 300 400M, 8K enough watching TV. But our network, open during the day only twenty to ten trillion, only to see 4K, 8K can not watch TV. why? Bad network structure. The network structure is not good what? Or not mathematicians study the structure of the network operators. So the problem does not solve the structural network, 5G and 4G up with about the same. I like big mouth, throat, however small, I ate a big piece of meat or a swallow does not go. Therefore, 5G base station is not a panacea, so we do not worry. 5G estimate that it will enter the next millimeter wave, millimeter wave is more than doubled your money as long as the bandwidth can be added to a hundred times, that one second you can download dozens of high-definition video, which we have been able to in the lab totally do it. 5G now not fully played out yet useful, too fast. The CCTV is used in Shenzhen (5G) live Spring Festival, it is only a demonstration of the role of this presentation is not enough to become a large-scale business practices.
In research technology, we have a saying called "a cup of coffee to absorb cosmic energy." Doing? What we learn from Google, Google's parent company made money went to study something difficult to achieve, but also study the elixir of life, it is also a contribution to human society, the transfer of wealth to explore the future of human society to go, we are the same . So we are talking about a cup of coffee to absorb cosmic energy, that is, to Google learned. It is to put money out to explore the future of mankind. We support the university professor to do basic research, he is like a lighthouse, as both can illuminate us, too light to others. But we understand faster than others, so to make things faster than others, and nothing more.
In our own series of more than 15,000 basic research scientists and experts to put their money into knowledge, we have over 60,000 products is the development of application-oriented talents, knowledge into money. We explore outside scientists, it is to give appropriate support.
Reporter : If this is the case, it is not suitable for basic research done by the company.
Ren : But if companies do not do, we can not lead or lead this era, then we will not earn excess money, we can not have excess investment, then we become a foundry up. Why we can confidently leading the way? On the electronic We have to make the most advanced chip ARM CPU, AI chip, on the exchange of photons, we are also the world's most advanced. In quantum terms, we have to follow, at least in the study of quantum computers out others, how we use.
We are among the electrons, photons, the quantum of these three, there are two ahead of human society, in quantum computing is now in the back. Therefore, to carry out basic research, it may be defined, you have money to do strategic investment, leading to social progress. Outside scientists welcomed us, because we treat them as the lighthouse is, we do not infringe any of their interests. The United States has a Bayh-Dole Act gives universities and nonprofit research institutions for federally funded inventions enjoy patents and patent applications, resulting in a powerful driving force to promote the scientific research. We are also in accordance with the Bayh-Dole Act, we have no selfish, but we do not cooperate and schools, mainly professors and cooperation, there must be the leader that I cooperate with you.